Hm.

[Lava]

Hm.

[Creeping_Death]

He has 30 days to apeal the verdict. While apealing, there is no time limit. Handing out a verdict mere days before elections in USA is kinda pathetic though.

Saddam's trial is small compared to  our building up for a North Korea attack

http://www.hallindseyoracle.com/articles.asp?ArticleID=13436

-CD

[Grimmwolf]

You got some disgusting generals:

Pace warned that the war against the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan had sapped the military of its precision weaponry. That means there would be a lot more collateral damage from unguided gravity bombs.

"hey, you better listen to us, or we might hit some of your citizens by accident..."

[Creeping_Death]

Grimm, I know you defended Saddam Hussein, and ignored his murdering actions as well as his sons, only pointing to civillians killed by usa. Now you are about to defend north korea, who is currently attempting to blackmail the world with nuclear weapons, and who, by the way, has concentration camps slave labor, forces their people into famine where they are forced to eat human flesh....should I go on? Or is the only significant deaths, are the ones at the hands of the americans, no matter what they did.

We are not saying "stop, or we'll kill your civillians" That gets old man.

You guys always convienently ignore the atrocities by countless groups and governments, always fixing on usa only, it's bullshit.

I guess you are happy with one day Iran wiping out Israel. I guess you are happy that sout korea, japan, and others are in direct threat of instant ahnilation by north korea's nukes.

I hear no outrage of the terrorists killing their own people. I hear you blame america for terrorists killing their own people.

I think your hatred for my country blinds your vision.

So, I already know you will deny my statements as not true. So, tell me then, seriously....what is your ideas as a solution? No complaining, I want to hear some thoughts on what to do, cause we don't hear anything but bitching, all the while, we got a big freaking problem that's needs attention.

-CD

WAKE UP!

[Creeping_Death]

By the way, the above statement you pointed out just shows 2 things:

1. How badly Clinton weakened our military.

2. We have a military budget, we do spend money on other things too

-CD

[Grimmwolf]

CD, I am not defending anyone. I am wondering why anyone would say something like that? It might sound funny for the guy, but it is not.

[Grimmwolf]

Oh, yes, I am holding the US to a higher standard, because the USA considers itself to fight for good, freedom and democracy. If the USA cannot live those three basic rights, why should they be allowed to invade countries to spread those?

[pkk]

Decades ago they put regimes into power, and nowadays they blame them, because they killed thousends of people, not loving freedom and not supporting democracy.

http://www.notinkansas.us/Images/rumsfeld-hussein.jpg

[Creeping_Death]

Grimm:

"Oh, yes, I am holding the US to a higher standard, because the USA considers itself to fight for good, freedom and democracy. If the USA cannot live those three basic rights, why should they be allowed to invade countries to spread those?"

Let me just say this now: Screw our politicians. We don't even run a "democracy," much less promote it in other places.

Let's be realistic here. We all know that the Western civilizations are all ran by international bankers. We also know they create wars by funding both sides, and by doing so, can manipulate the outcome. We also know that Western nations also have attempted many times in history to establish governments friendly to themselves in foreign lands.

We know that at the end of WW2 [Yalta Agreement], FDR, Churchill, and Stalin all sat down and carved up the "spoils of war." America got Asia [Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc], Russia got Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and UK got Middle East.

I bring this up to note how the problem with North Korea came to be. Let us look at the facts.

Russia, going along with the plan at Yalta, assists North Korea to invade the South, this allows the US to enter Korea. Interestingly enough, the US entered under United Nations mandate, thus becoming the first United Nations military action. Knowing that the international power base [which we've discussed as being the "bankers"] created the United Nations, we can see how this is becoming more and more a manufactured war. That is why there was no winner in the Korean War. That is why General McArthur was fired by Truman. That is the reason for the 38th degree mark, and etc. We were there to stay, not win and leave, as agreed to in the Yalta Conference. After Nixon opened up recognition to communist China in the 1970's concerning Vietnam, this allowed China to become the regional, and in their aspirations, a global power. Even though North Korea and China had bad relations in the 1960's, North Korea still managed to attain nuclear weapons. No doubt with the help of both China and Russia. Could this nuclear technology spread by Russia be a part of the plan? Is this part of the manufactured war started in the 1950's? I honestly do not know. I would hope not of course, but it doesn't look too good.

Besides all of this [which I do not personally condone BTW], here we are now, in the present. WTF are we going to do about a threatening nuclear North Korea? Millions of people's [regular folks, who have nothing to do with the cause] lives are at stake. Is Japan destined to become a glass desert island? I don't think so. I don't think the plan ever involved North Korea to actually become a threat...that we would knock them down before they got too big. Well the time is here, and they are getting too big. Its time to knock them down.

This isn't what I would personally want for the world, and it's not my making. I was born in 1974 you know.

Again, I have yet to hear once solution. Not one. I am not saying I have the answer either, but at least I come up with some suggestions. This nuclear threat is a danger to everyone I think, and I'd hate to wake up one day, come to the forums here and see that a member has been erased from existence from a nuke blast. Maybe this is asking for too much.

The reason why the military guy said what he said, is because it is a fact. Military is calculating and kinda cold. Based on the situation, not the sentiment. They are not public relations people really you know Don't hold the guy to how he said it.

-CD

[madpeople]

have the us ever considered deploying ninjas with sniper rifles to remove their leader?

[Creeping_Death]

Nuking Baghdad would serve no purpose. I don't even think we would have to nuke North Korea, but I do think we need an all-out assault with no warning, no time to allow them to counter the attack.

-CD

[pkk]

Russia, going along with the plan at Yalta, assists North Korea to invade the South, this allows the US to enter Korea. Interestingly enough, the US entered under United Nations mandate, thus becoming the first United Nations military action.

Just a notice...

Adopted at the 473rd meeting by 9 votes to none, with 1 abstention (Yugoslavia)<sup>10

10</sup>One member (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) was absent.

http://www.un.org/documents/sc/res/1950/scres50.htm

[Creeping_Death]

Interesting-

I was not aware that Russia was absent during the voting, but it does support the information I believe.

I will read those resolutions today, thanks.

-CD

[pkk]

I was not aware that Russia was absent during the voting, but it does support the information I believe.

The reason for the absence of the USSR was the disavowal of PR of China (Communist China), while Nationalist China (now Taiwan) was a veto power.

[Creeping_Death]

PKK:
"The reason for the absence of the USSR was the disavowal of PR of China (Communist China), while Nationalist China (now Taiwan) was a veto power."

I believe Russia was playing at both ends. On one end, showing the public role in the United Nation Assembly/Security Council, and publicly claiming contempt for the Korean communist agressors, but on the other end, playing along with the secret agreements concluded at Yalta, they were supporting the Korean communist effort.

I was not aware that China was a founding permanent member of the Security Council. It is interesting to note though, how once Nixon acknowledged communist China government, they snatch Taiwan's seat on the Council. Yet we still claim support for Taiwan. Another instance where Yalta agreements comes to play.

None of these conflicts make much sense until you put the "closed-door" agreements between nations into consideration as well.

In my opinion, it is all steps to world government. I have always been against the idea, and there are plenty of examples of why it is no good. I consider the UN an international joke, and I always have, I just never realized before how true it really was.

Another thing; I do not think China will submit to the West's version of new world order. I have heard Russia speak against this as well. And what of the muslim nations? Forget it. Something must give, I wander what it will be.

-CD